In a September 25, 2025 appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience, Kerr articulated a structured developmental model for young MMA athletes — one grounded not in striking or MMA itself, but in submission grappling as a first discipline.
The Case for Grappling First
Kerr's argument centered on athletes aged 16 to 20, a phase he described as critical for building both competitive skill and psychological resilience. His core position holds that ADCC-style submission grappling provides the ideal competitive environment for this stage: it teaches athletes how to perform under pressure, how to prepare properly, and how to develop a competitive identity — all without exposing them to the physical damage that comes with striking. In his words, submission grappling "teaches you how to compete, it teaches you how to prepare to compete right, and it teaches you without the impact of striking and punching."
A Three-Phase Development Model
The developmental sequence Kerr proposed moves through three phases. An athlete first builds a submission grappling base through ADCC-style competition, developing the fundamentals of control, pressure, and competitive composure. Striking is then integrated gradually as the grappling foundation solidifies. From there, the athlete gains experience in smaller promotions before advancing to larger stages — a measured progression designed to protect confidence as much as physical health.
Kerr was direct about the risks of accelerating that timeline. The modern MMA competitive landscape is demanding enough that throwing a young athlete into elite opposition prematurely can inflict lasting psychological damage before their confidence has fully developed. In his view, the level of competition leaves little margin for developmental exposure at the highest level.
Wrestling as the Core of Positional Control
Kerr also spoke to the specific value of wrestling within the submission grappling framework, identifying positional control as one of the discipline's most transferable assets. A skilled wrestler can hold an opponent precisely where that opponent does not want to be held, for as long as the match demands. That capacity for sustained, purposeful control underpins the entire submission grappling game Kerr advocates.
What gives his framework particular weight is that Kerr himself followed this path. He became a four-time ADCC World Champion before establishing himself as one of MMA's most dominant heavyweights. The model he now advocates for young athletes is, in its essential structure, the model his own career embodied.